Icicles for Hillary (But She Warmed Us Up)
Geri and I stood outside in 20 degree (Fahrenheit) weather for two hours this evening to attend Senator Hillary Clinton's rally at Brush High School in Lyndhurst, Ohio. My ears were so red, a kind lady insisted on wrapping her scarf around my head until we made it inside. I decided then that I would call this blog "Icicles for Hillary."
Jesus Crisis in cognito (I swear I'm not a terrorist!!!!)
[photo by Geri]
After waiting all that time, we just made the cut as far as the 2500 folks who got to join Hillary in the school gymnasium. A couple thousand other people in the long line behind us had to settle for watching her via closed circuit TV in the school cafeteria and another auditorium. Inside, it took a good half hour for my toes to thaw.
Since the bleachers were completely packed in the gym, we were ushered to the floor where we had to stand at least another two hours. Everything ran late first because the Secret Service's pre-rally sweep of the building took longer than anticipated, and then because Ohio Governor Ted Strickland was (according to the word going around) stuck in traffic. But it was worth standing all that time, because on the floor, Geri and I were only about 15 feet from "the next President of the United States of America."
Me and Geri in the gymnasium
[photo by Jesus Crisis]
Since it's almost three a.m. here in the Greater Cleveland area, and it's taken forever to upload the first part of the video, I will save most of the pictures and the rest of the video I took, as well as most of the rest of the story (including how I met former Presidential candidate General Wes Clark and was able to actually touch the hem of Hillary's garment), for a future blog.
For now, here is the video I shot of Hillary's speech at Brush High School, after she was introduced by Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, who also gave some brief closing remarks after Hillary spoke. Please watch the whole video and share your feedback in the comments. For the first couple of minutes, Hillary gives a shout-out to Tubbs-Jones and Strickland, then commends the local high school musical ensembles that performed, before diving into the meat and potatoes of what she is committed to doing as President. This video is a little over 20 minutes total and well worth the time if, like me, you are concerned about the direction of our nation.
Hillary Clinton's speech at Brush High School on 15 February 2008, filmed by Jesus Crisis:
To see Geri and me freezing our rumps off, hear the rest of our story, and hear Wes Clark and Ted Strickland speak - as well as to view some more of our photos from the rally - please check back on my blog in the next 48 hours or so.
Hillary Clinton after the rally with Governor Ted Strickland
[photo by Jesus Crisis]
To read the sequel to this blog, please click this link:
http://crisisblog.crisischronicles.com/2008/02/25/as-promised-more-hillary-rally-video-and-photos.aspx
i'm glad i voted for her in our primary on tuesday, and i can't wait to get to vote for her again in november.
longer comment later. must sleep. maybe i'll have a dream with her in it again.
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Thanks, Meribeth! After spending half the day there, and then spending several more hours uploading pictures and watching my video, I may just dream about Hillary, too!
Beats having nightmares about Bush any day!...
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i think you might have missed reading about the dream i had monday night.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=261106515&blogID=357322241
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Wow, JC, what an experience to be able to talk about! The excitement must have been like an electric current... I can hear the sparks sizzling off you, just in the way you're writing about it. Thank you so much for such an immediate sharing of your experience, via your blog, photos,and the great video. High points in the vid for The Minister: how she talked about having "a president that isn't just thinking about the next election, but about the next generation", the "yes, we will" cheer, investing in the cities (and thus investing in the downtrodden economy), "green-collar jobs", and moving in the right direction RE: American energy resources and health-care insurance reform--can I get an amen?--
and her timetable for troop withdrawl.
Yes, oh, yes, the nations of the world won't be the only ones who "give a sigh of relief when George Bush and Dick Cheney leave office"--so will The Minister! I will be watching for the next posting concerning this rally in your blog later today.... Again, thank you for putting aside your exhaustion long enough to report on this momentous event!
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Amen! Thank you, Sir! After I posted this, I discovered that the video quality here on the website is very poor compared to the quality that is on my camera and computer - not sure how that happened... I tried just uploading the raw video, not using my video editing software. That process worked on my Allen Ginsberg blog; but this is the first time I've tried it on a longer video. So I will sometime today, use my video software to fix the video - you'll be amazed how clear the video is when I get it uploaded correctly.
And thank you for your very kind comments!
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the sound quality is excellent though
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Thank goodness!
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Elena is glad you got to video tape Hillary and hopes she wins in Ohio
Wisconsin and Texas. If the delegates
pick her to run, the most powerful ticket for November would be a woman and a black man as VP. They are pretty much both on the same page and McCain wouldn't stand a chance against this ticket. I backed Wes Clark in the last election. He is also a very special person and hope he has a place in the administration as well. It is great that you got to see both Hillary and Wes yesterday. We all are waiting for the
next blog.
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After seeing General Wesley Clark's strong endorsement of her, I'm wondering if she'll choose him for her running mate. My original thought was that Bill Richardson would be the perfect choice for her. But Maybe Clark is. And I think there's a good chance Ted Strickland or Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio could be selected as well. Then again, maybe Clark would be best in a position like Secretary of Defense or of State.
Oh, and I got Wes Clark's autograph....
Thanks for your comment Elena!
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Well, what groupies you all are....LOL...
Thanks for posting the video. It's helped me get closer to feeling like I have someone enthused to vote for. Because so far I've not been enthusiastic about anyone. But this helps me get her message better.
I'm looking forward to your follow-up posting.
Chris
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There will be a debate at Cleveland State University between Hillary and Barack on Feb. 26th This will be on NBC Nightly News and "Hardball with Cris Matthews" on MSNBC is sponsoring this event that will take place at 9:00 p. m. Keep tuned for more exiting dialogue between the two of them. You don't have to freeze to death to hear this one.
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Thanks, Chris! I guess it did feel like we were groupies... lol... or stalkers, if you'd seen me trying to get Hillary's autograph (I was that close before a gentleman from the Secret Service foiled my plan).
Now it seems like my computer is out of memory... arggh. It crashed on Geri this morning, but we got it back up and running for now. That could be why the uploaded version of this Hillary video is nowhere near as clear as the version on the hard drive of my camera. Now I might have to finish the DVDs of our last two vacations and the last several holidays so I can get some of the old video off my computer and make room for new stuff - all before I can get all the rest of Hillary rally video uploaded properly to my blog. I'm still aiming to get it done by tonight.
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We can WAIT, JC. Get yourself some rest. Your computer will still be there in the morning!!!!!!!
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It will? LOL
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i sleep with mine under my pillow, just to be sure....
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Damn! Why didn't I think of that?
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LOL... With all you write and all the photos you post why does it not surprise me your computer is FULL !!!
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I've recently procured a backup hard drive with twice the memory of my computer. Hopefully, that will solve the problem for a season. (-;
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I am kind of use to seeing video like this......it isn't bad. And the sound is really GREAT!!
As for Hillary's message, she's the one. I like her stand on health care, especially. I hope she can keep up this momentum. THANK YOU, JC for keeping us informed
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Thanks, Barbie! I have it reprocessing on my other computer. The problem was that the file of just that speech was 2 gigabytes (20 times the 100 MB limit allowed by You Tube and MySpace). But using my software I am able to get it under 100 MB in size without cutting out any of the video. I just didn't have time to do it last night, and I'd hoped it wouldn't be necessary, since I was posting it on my own site. I guess now we know one reason those other sites limit the size of uploaded video files. I also plan to put it on You Tube after I fix it here - so it will reach a larger audience - and that should happen within the next hour. Then I will begin working on the other video I shot at the rally for my next blog.
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hmmmm... i was just getting ready to watch the video again, but think i'll wait now for when the new improved version comes along.
what happened to the person who needed a doctor?
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She was just dehydrated, apparently. The Secret Service sat her by an open door - and the cool air and Hillary's bottle of water seemed to make everything okay.
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Hey there Jon,
Thanks for the link, I was lucky, I got to see her here in sunny San Antonio, but even that was freaky deaky!!! Damn protesters!!! You my friend Rock the house!!!
Peace out Munchie
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Thanks, Munchie! I appreciate your comment.
I never expected to get so close to her. When I saw John Kerry in 2004, it was an outdoor event with over 20,000 people and I was so far in the back, I could barely see or hear him.
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considering how well you research most issues of importance, i'm amazed you still pimp for hillary.
she's not a nice person, not honest, not good, definitely not worthy. in a moral society, she'd be in jail for theft, and her husband in jail for mass murder.
but hey, look on the bright side - by being wrong on hillary, you show you've still room to grow into the good light.
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LOL... Hillary isn't the perfect candidate.
For months, folks asked me why I wasn't voting for Kucinich, whose views on many issues were similar to mine. Now the answer should be obvious - there is no Kucinich to vote for in the Ohio primary... just like last time, a vote for him, although perhaps a matter of principle, is also, realistically, a waste. His priority is keeping his House seat, against some stiff competition this time. I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination. And I believe it will Hillary. But if it's Obama, I will support him wholeheartedly. What choice do we have? Mike Huckabee won't win the Republican nomination. And even if he does, by some miracle, he's more a religious zealot than George W. Bush. And McCain is a far worse choice than any possible Democrat. Even an arch right-winger like Pat Buchanan has called McCain "Bush on steroids." So I can vote for the Democrat or vote for the Republican or I can not vote. Everyone who chooses to NOT vote instead of voting for the Democrat is essentially making it one vote easier for the Republican to win. And if the winning Republican was Ron Paul, I MIGHT think about it - but as I predicted last year, he is nowhere close to winning the nomination - and if he was REALLY a progressive, I have to think he'd abandon the Republican party. And if Hillary's husband is a mass murderer, it is no more fair to blame her for it than to blame her for the cum stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress.
I have great respect for your brain and opinion. and I agree that in many ways you're right: I've "still room to grow into the good light." Whether that's true in the case of my Hillary opinion, I'm not so sure. Let's say you're right: Hillary's evil. But if you have to send either her or a Bush supporter like McCain or Huckabee to the White House, who do you pick? And look at how old McCain is... I'll bet you he'll pick a VP to please the religious right, who he's trying to win over. A vote for him or Huck means a good chance we'll have another right-wing religious zealot with a tendency to eschew reason in the White House. Not voting for the Democratic candidate helps that zealot take control. Even if you're convinced Hillary is evil - you have to admit she's the more rational candidate and the lesser of two electable evils.
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well it looks like you won't have to worry about voting for hillary - the political in-crowd give her around a 25% chance of winning the democratic primary. they think it's going to be obama. if i had to choose between them, obama as slimy as he is is less so than hillary.
and yes i do hold hillary actionable for murdering 1 million people in iraq by her husband - theirs was a dual shared presidency. they're both crooked as hell.
of course this is the core problem - the political process is corrupt, so by the time any candidate reaches our ballots, they're too crooked to govern.
a vote for the lesser of 2 evils is stoill a vote for evil.
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smith, i would be very interested in your take on al gore after reading your comments here.
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You may be right about Obama. But I think his chances are far less than the 75% you propose. The biggest delegate-earning states yet to vote (Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania) are leaning toward Hillary. And most of the "superdelegates" are loyal to the Clintons. Obama's done far better than I expected; but I still don't believe he'll win.
I agree: a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
But not voting against an exponentially worse evil could be viewed by some as helping that worse evil have an opportunity to thrive. Antibiotics kill life (hence their name). But since they prevent a worse destruction of life, they are - relatively speaking - good.
And I agree that all candidates who reach the level of major party nominee are to some degree corrupt.
So what to do? Not vote?
As the Rush song goes, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
Hillary says she'll begin removing our troops 60 days after her election. McCain says they may be there for "a hundred years." Which sounds better?
Hillary is pro-choice, McCain is staunchly pro-life. Which sounds better?
Hillary is pro-gay rights. Is McCain?
Hillary advocates universal healthcare. Does McCain?
Flashback to Germany, 1933.
The Communists and the Social Democrats, who were the biggest and best alternatives to the Nazis, were corrupt to the core. So folks who hated the Nazis didn't vote for these competitors either.
Nazis won as a result.
Voting for Hillary (or for the Social Democrats) - while not the ideal choice, she is the best available/electable choice - is comparable to applying an antibiotic to deter, prevent, and overcome a far more insidious threat. A few people who shared your view in Florida (2000) and Ohio (2004) abstained from voting for Gore and Kerry. Now we've got Bush and Dick. Mission accomplished?...
Even if we disagree here, I still have the utmost respect and affection for you. I think this debate is healthy, no matter which of us is right or wrong.
Peace....
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I feel I should make this clear as well:
I'm not "pimping" her just because she's the "lesser of two evils."
She's also offers a bigger "good" than her electable competitors.
Look at her student loan plan, her plan to immediately begin bringing our boys home from Iraq, her plan to strip tax subsidies from oil companies and companies that export jobs (in the video above she touches on all of these). McCain's offering nothing comparable. And Obama doesn't seem to offer as many specifics as Hillary on how to actually get the good ideas he proposes done.
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and health care.
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Indeed... How'd I leave that out?
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Click this link for a good article by the AP's Jim Kuhnhenn analyzing Hillary's speech at Lyndhurst:
http://www.examiner.com/a-1224553~Kindness__Then_Sharp_Words__From_Clinton.html
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I am about to post a blog on how the Democrats MUST WIN in November. Thanks
for suggesting this.
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You're welcome! I really like what you wrote. I hope everyone will go read your blog as well!
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Don't forget the women in Iraq too.
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Amen, sister! Our young men AND women....
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We need to see more of these speeches. The media keeps them from the American people. Thank you so much for putting this page together. Hillary has been fighting for us for so many years and not only here but in other countries as well. She is the one who will bring bring a future for tomorrow as President of the United States of America. Thank you again
peace and love
Lori McMaster
Washington State
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Thank you, Lori! I'm pleased to meet you and I very much appreciate you visiting us and commenting.
John, a.k.a. Jesus Crisis
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i LOVE the video you took of hillary! how exciting!
you've been totally pimped
peace and luv, brother
janie
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Cool!~ Thanks, Janie!!
I really appreciate it!
Looks like your mom pimped me, too....
Thought I don't always comment, I always enjoy your and her blogs. Thank you both for your commitment to peace and justice - and for keeping us informed.
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Amazing. I love Hillary!!!
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Thanks, Margaret! Have you heard that song "I've Got a Crush on Hillary" yet?
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Wowza, JC... I disappear for a while and then I have to run all over the 'net to track you down! Nice new digs
Although I recognize that she's done good things, I personally have no respect for Ms. Clinton. I don't believe she has an honest bone in her body. She's the same old/same old slimy politician. And it upsets me greatly that we've waited so long for a strong female candidate and when one finally arrives, it's one I could never vote for in good conscience.
Maybe I hold her to a higher standard because she is a woman, I don't know. Maybe it's that every election year, I hope to be able to vote for the person I think will do the most good rather than the one I think will do the least amount of damage.
Tell me this, JC. If Obama wins the popular vote and Clinton fights tooth and nail to get the superdelegates to override that vote and nominate her, which I have no doubt she'd do, will you still hold her in such high regard? See, what I really don't like about her is that she's proven time and again that the will of the people is only important so long as it fits in nicely with her own ambitions.
My personal opinion aside, what really bothers me is the fact that with a Clinton/McCain ticket, a LOT of Democrats are going to cross party lines and vote McCain. On the other end of the spectrum, I know of at least a few Republicans who would do the same and vote for Obama. I could be wrong, but I don't think Sen. Clinton can win the country.
So, that's my abbreviated two cents. I'll try to remember to check back in here but really, I couldn't even keep up with you on MySpace
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Thanks for stopping by, ZG! You might find my exchange with Smith in the comments above of interest. I'm not saying she or any other politician who makes it to this point is the epitome of honesty. I don't believe Bill didn't inhale and "have sex with that woman." But if given a choice between 8 more years with Clinton and the past 8 years with Bush, which would be preferable?
You ask, "if Obama wins the popular vote and Clinton fights tooth and nail to get the superdelegates to override that vote and nominate her, which I have no doubt she'd do, will you still hold her in such high regard?" No, I wouldn't. But I don't believe Obama will win the popular vote. The biggest states with primaries still to come seemed to be leaning heavily toward Hillary. If Obama does win, I think we Demovcrats should unite behind him. If Hillary wins, we should unite behind her. The best way to keep disgruntled Democrats from attaching themselves to McCain, who Pat Buchanan calls "Bush on steroids," is to have a Clinton/Obama ticket. Unstoppable! We simply cannot afford to have another Republican president after 8 years of Bush/Cheney. After this next round of big primaries, we need to unite. Our world depends upon it.
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I would disagree that McCain is a Bushie. In fact, I would say that Clinton is more like Bush in that she'd do anything to further her own agenda and damn the consequences. The good news there is that she has a MUCH better agenda than McCain, but it doesn't make her a better person or better suited to run our country.
Regarding your convo with Smith, as I said I don't agree with many of McCain's policies. There's good and bad in everyone, and especially when you've been a politician for as long as those two have. I just can't get past the path of corruption behind Clinton.
I'm certainly not saying that I agree with everything McCain says or I'm thrilled at the notion of another Republican president. He's running that standard "pre-born baby/post-dead soldier" party line that drives me nuts, but I actually have a lot more respect for him than I do Clinton. And sorry, I don't agree that everyone who considers themselves a Democrat should vote for a candidate purely because they're a Democrat. I think it's everyone's responsibility to vote their conscience, not the party line. I'd personally like to see an Obama/Edwards ticket. If it's Clinton/Obama, I'll have to do a lot of research and soul-searching before I decide, but I have to tell you that throwing my vote at Nader would be a definite option.
By the way, don't you think it's interesting that folks use last names for everyone else, but a first name for Hillary Clinton?
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I respect your opinion - and I do have a great deal of respect for McCain in some arenas (war hero, campaign finance reform). And I definitely don't think we should vote for a Democrat just because he or she's a Democrat. I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 because I didn't think I could trust Bush OR Clinton. But for the reasons I stated in my reply to Smith, I think that, party affiliation aside, Hillary is the better all around candidate for our country and our world. She may not be perfect - but she is better than the alternatives. Any of the current Democrats is a better alternatve than McCain, who WILL NOT end the war in Iraq and at his age might drop dead and leave us with a potentially even worse president. We also have to think about Supreme Court justices. Another Republican appointee or two might swing the balance to the right for decades to come. And think of all that comes with that.
I agree... vote your conscience, don't just blindly support a party. But in this case I honestly believe that for a number of reasons either Hillary or Barack will be better than either McCain or Huckabee. One might wish for a better choice than all four - but we have no such choice who can actually win. You may be right about Hillary putting her agenda first - thank goodness her agenda IS better. That makes my choice that much easier. McCain says we might be in Iraq for 100 years. That is unacceptable to me. Add to it his lack of respect for a woman's choice, his lack of a plan to improve education, and his age and the fact that he'll probably choose a running mate to score points with the religious right....
But I don't want anyone to vote for anyone because I say so. I've been mistaken before. I voted for Bush Sr. in 1988. I voted for Reagan in 1984. Endorsing Hillary is not a decision I made lightly. But I do respect and listen to other viewpoints, as you and Smith have listened to mine. I never claimed to be perfect or have all the answers. This is merely my opinion, after much consideration.
I think it's very cool that intelligent people with different opinions can talk these things out and remain friends Such is the stuff of democracy. This is why the United States has such potential for greatness. When disagreement is belittled or stifled, no one wins. So thank you (and Smith) for honestly sharing your views. You've both made some very good points, even if we end up agreeing to disagree on who to endorse (or on whether to endorse anyone).
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Wow! My friends sent me over and I'm glad they did!
I know you're in my friends list, but now I'm subscribed to your blogs...why didn't someone send me over here sooner?
Thank You so much John! and Margaret, hehehe
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Thank you, Chica! Seems like you have a blog well worth reading as well....
And thanks to Margaret and Janie for not only bringing attention to my Hillary blog, but for doing one heck of a job of fighting the good fight. Peace!
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Okay, since you are on the campaign trail, tell me why I should support Hillary Clinton when she voted for the Iraq War and by all appearances will continue on the path of "democratization" by military might of the Middle East.
She has said "Nothing is off the table when dealing with Iran." I realize she has a lot to say about domestic policy but her foreign policy is just more of the same PNAC and AIPAC pro-oil and pro-Israel. WIth regard to foreign policy I believe she is promising to "stay the course" and will wind up being just as bad as Bush with regard to pushing us toward WWIII.
Convince me that she will lead us to peace and not into and an expanded and possibly nuclear war with Iran. I'll listen to what you have to say but keep in mind that Clinton's policies mirrored those of Giuliani, and he was too crazy even for the Republicans.
-AVO
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Here's where I'm coming from....
In the video she says quite clearly that she will begin to remove our troops from Iraq within 60 days of taking office. And she voted to fund the troops IN CASE a war with Iraq was necessary, after the President assured Congress he was pursuing a diplomatic means (through the U.N.) of disarming Saddam. She voted to give him the funds to wage war if necessary - and then he waged war when it wasn't necessary.
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That's convincing, but I don't believe that Hillary, who's husband was president merely two years prior, was decieved. Not all of congress was decieved and many of Bush's advisors stated evidence to the contray (i.e. Paul O'neill, Joe Wilson et al.) There is literally a list of people who were fired for challenging the administration view point. Although NY state was against the war, Hillary voted for it. I don't think it is hard to point to her AIPAC and Zionist lobby connections. If so, then he acted on behalf of a wealthy minority. Sayng she was decieved is just illustrating that she acted poorly as a leader when she should have sought out the obvious truth that nerly every other nation on earth had determined, tha Saddam was effectively diasrmed.
I don't mean to belabour this point. On domestic issues she is certainly preferably to McCain. The longer she tussels with Obama the weaker the party will become. Dems could scrap their way into the conventions and peope will vote for McCain simply because he has his shit together already.
In my opinion Obama is the better candidate primarily because he wants an open dialogue with Iran and Syria. Anything less is setting the stage for WWIII.
Peace,
AVO
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I think that after the Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania primaries, all Democrats should throw their support behind whoever's winning. I agree that we can't let the Obama/Hillary last forever. I don't think Obama will win. But if he does, I will support him wholeheartedly. I do tend to support your view that an open dialogue with Iran and Syria would be helpful. There have been some interesting comments on My Hillary blog that you might want to check out, including some strong anti-Hillary remarks from a good friend whose opinion I respect a lot - as well as my reply to what he said. Even if we don't agree, I think it's healthy to talk about these things - we all learn as a result.
Peace,
John
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Definitely,
The internet is very helpful to me in developing my opinion. Mainstream media can be very limiting, either by design or simply the nature of such a behemoth. In any case, we are on the right track with more open dialogue and limitless media.
Peace,
AVO
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Dear friend,
Do you mind if I post our discussion in this message in the comments of my blog? I can make you anonymous if you prefer, or use your name (AVO) and make a link to your page. I think you raise good issues, and it will give some my readers on both sides of the debate more to reflect upon and talk about. I won't be offended if you say no.
Peace,
John
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John,
That would be fine with me. Thanks for asking.
Peace,
AVO
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Although I think Hillary is a capable person, I feel that Barack Obama would be the better choice for president.
I feel that he has the drive to make changes happen, to restore balance to the system and the popularity to push his programs through congress.
I also think that he would be able to push Americas agenda or views on the world stage, People will be able to relate to him and will listen to him. I do not think that will be the case with Hillary, not to sound like a male pig, but many world leader will not listen to a woman
she lacks the moxy to assert herself on the world stage and to the leaders of such countries as Iran and North Korea. I do not feel that she has the emotional detachment to make command decisions where people are possibly going to lose their lives.
I would support an OBAMA-CLINTON ticket though, and I feel that after 4-8 years as VP, she will be ready to assume the position of President of the United States.
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A very interesting perspective. "I feel that after 4-8 years as VP, she will be ready to assume the position of President of the United States," you said. My first response was going to be a joke: Didn't she already have 8 years as VP?
Do you think she lacks moxy? I'm not sure. That seems to contradict the Hillary-haters who view her as too domineering and unfeeling. Bush has admitted to crying in office, and yet no one accuses him of lacking moxy... lol.
And even Bush failed, despite his "Axis of Evil" rhetoric, to prevent North Korea from procuring the bomb, cajones or no. Maybe if he hadn't been so obsessed with Iraq....
Thanks for your comment, my friend!
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