High Coup?
[Here's a short message I posted on the ClevelandPoetics Yahoo listserve today in response to another "haiku" discussion:]
Once certain folks said Beethoven's greatest symphonies weren't even symphonies because they didn't follow the traditional form. Once folks said the Gershwins' Three Penny Opera wasn't really an opera and John Cage's music wasn't really music. To me, what I call a piece of music or writing is a lot less important than whether it speaks to me or is silent, whether it does either (or both) effectively, and (perhaps most importantly) whether I see it or hear it at all.
In 1993 I wrote a short poem entitled "Li/able" which reads:
You
label
me?
You
libel
me.
Unfortunately, Yahoo eliminates my line indentations. But the form is not as important as what it says (and doesn't say). Perhaps the same could be said of any work of art.
Peace and poetry,
John
Once certain folks said Beethoven's greatest symphonies weren't even symphonies because they didn't follow the traditional form. Once folks said the Gershwins' Three Penny Opera wasn't really an opera and John Cage's music wasn't really music. To me, what I call a piece of music or writing is a lot less important than whether it speaks to me or is silent, whether it does either (or both) effectively, and (perhaps most importantly) whether I see it or hear it at all.
In 1993 I wrote a short poem entitled "Li/able" which reads:
You
label
me?
You
libel
me.
Unfortunately, Yahoo eliminates my line indentations. But the form is not as important as what it says (and doesn't say). Perhaps the same could be said of any work of art.
Peace and poetry,
John
Posted by Jesus Crisis at 4/14/2009 10:03 AM 
Categories: Cleveland, Writing and Poetry
Tags: High Coup Yahoo John Cage Haiku Cleveland Poetics Beethoven Cleveland Poetry Gershwin
Categories: Cleveland, Writing and Poetry
Tags: High Coup Yahoo John Cage Haiku Cleveland Poetics Beethoven Cleveland Poetry Gershwin
the acadfemic definition of "authentic" Japanese haiku is all bullshit because the japanese haiku consists of ONE line written straight down and the 17 syllable count is bogus because japanese haiku gives hard sounds a two count and some silences between the words a count so the typical japanese haiku consists of one line with 10 to 12 syllables. the academics are a sick crowd.
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You've taught me some things I didn't know about Japanese haiku. Thank you. I was reluctant to respond to the discussion because I know I am relatively ignorant when it comes to the haiku "form." But some of the remarks made me uneasy. It's like someone wrote "That man is starving" and called it a Cleveland poem - then some folks were more concerned about whether the person actually lived in Cleveland or was actually across the border in Lakewood, and whether that qualified the poem as a Cleveland poem. Where's the compassion for the starving man?
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i even got the syllable count wrong - it's 14 not 17.
plus the academics are being assholes because even the academics call jack kerouac's short poems haiku andf NONE of them even come close to fullfilling their academic requirements.
i've always thought if a person has trouble sleeping, they should read some poems by an academic because they're usually the most boring shit around.
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the Japanese also don't count articles.. so we develop a false sense of what haiku is.
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According to Wikipedia, "Previously called hokku, haiku was given its current name by the Japanese writer Masaoka Shiki at the end of the 19th century." So whatever folks say "haiku" is now, could it be true that "haiku" wasn't anything before the end of the 19th century? Ha! So if Basho and Issa didn't call what they wrote "haiku," why do we?
Admittedly, I am not well versed in the history or the Japanese. My primary experience with Japanese was memorizing the Lotus Sutra (without knowing what all the "words" meant) and reciting it during gongyo in my Nichiren Buddhist daze. But that's okay. I don't think good historians make good poets or good poets make good historians. At least that's my experience, and I've tried to be both - though I imagine there are or have been folks more capable than I.
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I'm not saying Wikipedia is the best source. So if that's not true, I hope someone will let me know. I'm also interested in knowing the etymological differences between hokku and haiku.
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oh venerable Jesus Burroughs hosting this blog eye grant yew peace and safety training lOLZX hokku
http://poetrypoem.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?poemnumber=822078&sitename=charlax&password=&poemoffset=0&displaypoem=t&item=poetry and also another link to HIGH COO TANKA
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I think if you ask Ray McNiece he might know...
I didn't realize till I found a copy of his Haiku chapbook last week at Mac's that he was as knowledgeable about the form as he is. And from what he's written in his introduction he doesn't sound all so anal about is as some people seem to be.. Making such overly tight distinctions between haiku and senryu. I thought his take on it very sensible and astute.
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meow meow! my too sense
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Date: April 15, 2009
Beloved in Christ,
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Would I be correct in assuming you'd like some Miracle Whip with your Spam?
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rotflol!
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